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Josrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 11:00:14 EST

Ok thanks. Fgo I bought usualx in secondary , didn't stake my usual. Hope that works

Josrole-iconI have to be holding for the full 7 days ? So I guess I missed the window last week

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:59:45 EST

Yes, from monday 13th to monday 20th non stop

Josrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:59:24 EST

I have to be holding for the full 7 days ? So I guess I missed the window last week

Josrole-iconI've been staking for more than a week but still received no USD0. Will it automatically show up in my wallet?

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:59:19 EST

It should, but if your pending is below 10$, it will take more time

Josrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:55:42 EST

I've been staking for more than a week but still received no USD0. Will it automatically show up in my wallet?

Josrole-iconHi there , I have USUALX but am not currently receiving any USD0. Why is that? I staked directly (not via pendle)

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01/22/2025 at 10:55:02 EST

When you stake USUAL into USUALx, your rewards accrue and autocompound, but they do not show up under the classic 'Pending Rewards'. For USD0 rewards, they are distributed at the end of each weekly epoch. If you sell or withdraw part of your USUALx during the month, you forfeit the USD0 rewards for that month.

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01/22/2025 at 10:54:49 EST

Hi there , I have USUALX but am not currently receiving any USD0. Why is that? I staked directly (not via pendle)

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01/22/2025 at 10:54:38 EST

should drop the usual needed for redemption to 1 months reward, a lot of usual will get burned and peg will be restored, amount requierd per usd0++ will be less but the frequency will be higher

Noérole-iconWell yes, the theoretical peg of USD0++ is with USD0, since its yield is above the risk free yield represented by its discount, but as outlined in the docs, it can vary since there's no cost-free open arbitrage mechanism as it's locked for 4 years.

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01/22/2025 at 10:49:34 EST

Hi, I asked a question and I haven't had any answer or response to it.

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:49:06 EST

Or if you want redeem to $1

George_23role-iconThat means though that if we unstake it we loose all our accumulated usuals right?

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01/22/2025 at 10:48:52 EST

U can swap in the market

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01/22/2025 at 10:46:41 EST

That means though that if we unstake it we loose all our accumulated usuals right?

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George_23role-iconHello guys!! I just wanted to ask. Should we stake our usd0 to usd0++?

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01/22/2025 at 10:40:58 EST

yess you get more yield and can use it in beravault or pendle

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George_23role-iconIs there a fee for stacking from usd0 to us0++?

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01/22/2025 at 10:38:03 EST

No, there is no fee for converting USD0 to USD0++. The conversion is done on a 1:1 basis when you stake your USD0 to receive USD0++. Reference: 1

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01/22/2025 at 10:37:54 EST

Is there a fee for stacking from usd0 to us0++?

George_23role-iconHello guys!! I just wanted to ask. Should we stake our usd0 to usd0++?

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01/22/2025 at 10:36:15 EST

Staking USD0 to USD0++ can be beneficial if you are looking for yield opportunities. USD0++ is a liquid staking token that provides rewards in USUAL tokens. It offers liquidity and yield opportunities while maintaining a 1:1 issuance with staked USD0. However, it involves a 4-year lock-up period, so consider your investment horizon and risk tolerance before staking. References: 1,2

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01/22/2025 at 10:36:14 EST

are stake at convex finance eligible emission?

George_23role-iconHello guys!! I just wanted to ask. Should we stake our usd0 to usd0++?

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01/22/2025 at 10:36:00 EST

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01/22/2025 at 10:35:59 EST

Hello guys!! I just wanted to ask. Should we stake our usd0 to usd0++?

Sikakparole-iconwhere im stake my usdc/usd0 LP to eligible emission?

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01/22/2025 at 10:35:11 EST

To be eligible for USUAL emissions, you can provide liquidity to the USD0/USDC pool. This pool is one of the accepted liquidity pools where you can earn rewards by staking your LP tokens.

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01/22/2025 at 10:35:00 EST

where im stake my usdc/usd0 LP to eligible emission?

loverdefirole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:34:31 EST

People will be able to hold USD0++ a lot more confidently in that case

Noérole-iconMy personal thought is the one I just sent tbh: imho it makes no sense for USD0++ to trade as such a "big" discount, knowing the underlying is still 1$ and it yields at a higher rate than the one represented by the Floor (=risk free yield). Taking a DCF valuation method for example, it just doesn't make much sense. Example: - In six months, USDT gives you 1$ - In six months, USD0++ gives you at least 0.87$ + 15cts in USUAL = 1.02$. Even more if you stake those USUAL and get the rev share etc. Not the best example but it's simple to understand It's imho more about liquidity and incentives, but also a lack of rationality (welcome to crypto, right). We're working on new features to counter that, and an article should be published very soon about those. Also, to highlight the psychological aspect, I do think that if the Floor was branded as an unstaking fee (which, in fact, it is), market price would be closer to 1$ than it is currently: that's our fault obviously. Unstaking fee in USD0++ (=Floor) or USUAL (Early Redemption): way simpler and common. Just like Yearn had a few % fee at their beginning (not a really accurate comparison but it's to give an image).

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01/22/2025 at 10:33:44 EST

Can the team buy it all till a decent price, maybe 0.95 or 0.96 and then redeem it for 1$? That would be a relief to the community, profitable to the team and healthier for the protocol since it will restore confidence around the project a lot.

dvrole-icon0.87 is good enough anyway for looping unless you're some crazy degen lol

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01/22/2025 at 10:31:17 EST

yes in crypto if you give people 0 risk they will drove to edge of cliff

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01/22/2025 at 10:30:15 EST

0.87 is good enough anyway for looping unless you're some crazy degen lol

Joe Stephenrole-iconCan I exchange USD0 to USUALX? Any suggestions as the gas fees look pretty high. Does anyone know of any exchanges with low fees?

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01/22/2025 at 10:30:09 EST

You should do thay in UTC+0 1AM-6AM so the fee is commonly cheeper

dvrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:29:51 EST

With current exit conditions only 0.87 makes sense though. And i think it's going to take a while before people trust them to not make a sudden parameter change.

dvrole-iconYea sure that makes sense, or idk maybe both oracle or 0.87 hardcode could make sense. depends how degen you wanna be

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01/22/2025 at 10:25:28 EST

there will be in chainlink integration to get exact cents but floor price 0.87 should be good in future floor could be better so even use oracle it should be above 0.87

BingChillingrole-iconyeah but repeg again people will do loop on morpho without 0 risk ? the point peg should be handle by oracle in future or 2nd market rate

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01/22/2025 at 10:23:09 EST

Yea sure that makes sense, or idk maybe both oracle or 0.87 hardcode could make sense. depends how degen you wanna be

dvrole-iconpersonally floor as unstaking fee sounds much worse because it's currently > 6 months. but maybe i'm misunderstanding what you mean. If the team wants usd0++ to trade higher, you could definitely repeg it immediately (by that i mean 2-3% away from peg if not above) by setting 5% of target outflow. first days would be rough for usual holders and tvl. but imo better than letting 0.3% weekly outflows dragging out for months - no new mints in the meantime and kills project reputation -. problem in your example is usd0++ is illiquid with current outflow setting hence the heavy discount. usd0++ obviously more valuable the more liquid it is (eg higher target outflows) because holders prefer liquid assets. even though you'd have less unstake fee income, you'd have more usd0++ mints + revenue from tvl. don't think you gain much by having such high unstaking fees. i mean let's see if saturday's improvements are enough but imo problem comes from the heavy unstaking conditions (stETH would be depegged too if it had a lower exit queue value)

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01/22/2025 at 10:22:19 EST

yeah but repeg again people will do loop on morpho without 0 risk ? the point peg should be handle by oracle in future or 2nd market rate

Noérole-iconMy personal thought is the one I just sent tbh: imho it makes no sense for USD0++ to trade as such a "big" discount, knowing the underlying is still 1$ and it yields at a higher rate than the one represented by the Floor (=risk free yield). Taking a DCF valuation method for example, it just doesn't make much sense. Example: - In six months, USDT gives you 1$ - In six months, USD0++ gives you at least 0.87$ + 15cts in USUAL = 1.02$. Even more if you stake those USUAL and get the rev share etc. Not the best example but it's simple to understand It's imho more about liquidity and incentives, but also a lack of rationality (welcome to crypto, right). We're working on new features to counter that, and an article should be published very soon about those. Also, to highlight the psychological aspect, I do think that if the Floor was branded as an unstaking fee (which, in fact, it is), market price would be closer to 1$ than it is currently: that's our fault obviously. Unstaking fee in USD0++ (=Floor) or USUAL (Early Redemption): way simpler and common. Just like Yearn had a few % fee at their beginning (not a really accurate comparison but it's to give an image).

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01/22/2025 at 10:20:05 EST

personally floor as unstaking fee sounds much worse because it's currently > 6 months. but maybe i'm misunderstanding what you mean. If the team wants usd0++ to trade higher, you could definitely repeg it immediately (by that i mean 2-3% away from peg if not above) by setting 5% of target outflow. first days would be rough for usual holders and tvl. but imo better than letting 0.3% weekly outflows dragging out for months - no new mints in the meantime and kills project reputation -. problem in your example is usd0++ is illiquid with current outflow setting hence the heavy discount. usd0++ obviously more valuable the more liquid it is (eg higher target outflows) because holders prefer liquid assets. even though you'd have less unstake fee income, you'd have more usd0++ mints + revenue from tvl. don't think you gain much by having such high unstaking fees. i mean let's see if saturday's improvements are enough but imo problem comes from the heavy unstaking conditions (stETH would be depegged too if it had a lower exit queue value)

ravishedrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:19:56 EST

I still don't see why the market hasn't bought up all the usual and staked it, such a no brainer imo

ravishedrole-iconInteresting point regarding the framing regarding the unstaking fee. If usd0++ is liquid with a lot of trading pairs it will be the best thing to hold going forward, you buy at .91 with the possibility of it going higher before maturity and the usual yield. The only problem will be pricing trading pairs won't be at $1 USD..

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:18:17 EST

new user no brainer to buy current usd0++ but they got fudded out by CT

Noérole-iconMy personal thought is the one I just sent tbh: imho it makes no sense for USD0++ to trade as such a "big" discount, knowing the underlying is still 1$ and it yields at a higher rate than the one represented by the Floor (=risk free yield). Taking a DCF valuation method for example, it just doesn't make much sense. Example: - In six months, USDT gives you 1$ - In six months, USD0++ gives you at least 0.87$ + 15cts in USUAL = 1.02$. Even more if you stake those USUAL and get the rev share etc. Not the best example but it's simple to understand It's imho more about liquidity and incentives, but also a lack of rationality (welcome to crypto, right). We're working on new features to counter that, and an article should be published very soon about those. Also, to highlight the psychological aspect, I do think that if the Floor was branded as an unstaking fee (which, in fact, it is), market price would be closer to 1$ than it is currently: that's our fault obviously. Unstaking fee in USD0++ (=Floor) or USUAL (Early Redemption): way simpler and common. Just like Yearn had a few % fee at their beginning (not a really accurate comparison but it's to give an image).

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01/22/2025 at 10:17:16 EST

Interesting point regarding the framing regarding the unstaking fee. If usd0++ is liquid with a lot of trading pairs it will be the best thing to hold going forward, you buy at .91 with the possibility of it going higher before maturity and the usual yield. The only problem will be pricing trading pairs won't be at $1 USD..

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01/22/2025 at 10:15:21 EST

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01/22/2025 at 10:15:16 EST

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Joe Stephenrole-iconCan I exchange USD0 to USUALX? Any suggestions as the gas fees look pretty high. Does anyone know of any exchanges with low fees?

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01/22/2025 at 10:15:10 EST

To exchange USD0 to USUALx, you would typically need to first swap USD0 for USUAL and then stake USUAL into USUALx. Unfortunately, I don't have specific information on exchanges with low fees for this transaction. It's often best to compare rates on different decentralized exchanges (DEXs) and consider the current gas fees on the Ethereum network. You might also want to check if there are any promotions or fee reductions on certain platforms.

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01/22/2025 at 10:14:59 EST

Can I exchange USD0 to USUALX? Any suggestions as the gas fees look pretty high. Does anyone know of any exchanges with low fees?

ploskovrole-iconI have 5000 beraUSD0++, 2 weeks have passed since deposit. And now i can claim 2.74 usual? LOL

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01/22/2025 at 10:14:52 EST

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ploskovrole-iconI have 5000 beraUSD0++, 2 weeks have passed since deposit. And now i can claim 2.74 usual? LOL

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01/22/2025 at 10:14:52 EST

go to veda

ploskovrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:14:41 EST

I have 5000 beraUSD0++, 2 weeks have passed since deposit. And now i can claim 2.74 usual? LOL

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01/22/2025 at 10:13:07 EST

He who holds USUAL longer, will get to the moon.( ancient Lunar saying 3000 BC) 🙂

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:07:20 EST

meaning, the absolute value is higher

BingChillingrole-iconday 1 fud stake was 35% now is 43%

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 10:07:11 EST

which is even better when you know there's daily emission

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Cowboy Jamesrole-iconMan, all these complainers yet a bunch of those same people are probably staking their USUAL, lol.

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01/22/2025 at 10:06:19 EST

day 1 fud stake was 35% now is 43%

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01/22/2025 at 10:05:47 EST

Hello what’s the issue

littleringrole-iconWhich option offers a higher USUAL return: staking USUALx in USUAL or purchasing PT USUALx in Pendle? Any insights?

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01/22/2025 at 10:05:38 EST

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littleringrole-iconWhich option offers a higher USUAL return: staking USUALx in USUAL or purchasing PT USUALx in Pendle? Any insights?

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01/22/2025 at 10:05:12 EST

Staking USUAL into USUALx provides rewards from the emission of new $USUAL and part of all redemption and unstaking fees. On the other hand, purchasing PT USUALx in Pendle offers fixed yields given up by YT users. The choice depends on whether you prefer the potential for higher returns through staking or the fixed yield from Pendle.

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01/22/2025 at 10:05:02 EST

Which option offers a higher USUAL return: staking USUALx in USUAL or purchasing PT USUALx in Pendle? Any insights?

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01/22/2025 at 09:59:33 EST

Man, all these complainers yet a bunch of those same people are probably staking their USUAL, lol.

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01/22/2025 at 09:57:24 EST

= diluted

Cowboy Jamesrole-icon@Noé: I got my USD0 on Monday for being a USUALx holder. Now, the amount for next week has decreased. Why is that?

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01/22/2025 at 09:57:21 EST

More USUAL staked and a bit less TVL

Cowboy Jamesrole-icon@Noé: I got my USD0 on Monday for being a USUALx holder. Now, the amount for next week has decreased. Why is that?

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01/22/2025 at 09:54:50 EST

Some TVL is out

dvrole-iconCurious if you have any ideas on the intentions of the team ? For example do you know if they want usd0++ to trade more like a bond or like an LST or are they considering changing target outflows ? or like any personal thoughts on this ? otherwise respect for managing this chat, must be a tough job.

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01/22/2025 at 09:54:49 EST

My personal thought is the one I just sent tbh: imho it makes no sense for USD0++ to trade as such a "big" discount, knowing the underlying is still 1$ and it yields at a higher rate than the one represented by the Floor (=risk free yield). Taking a DCF valuation method for example, it just doesn't make much sense. Example: - In six months, USDT gives you 1$ - In six months, USD0++ gives you at least 0.87$ + 15cts in USUAL = 1.02$. Even more if you stake those USUAL and get the rev share etc. Not the best example but it's simple to understand It's imho more about liquidity and incentives, but also a lack of rationality (welcome to crypto, right). We're working on new features to counter that, and an article should be published very soon about those. Also, to highlight the psychological aspect, I do think that if the Floor was branded as an unstaking fee (which, in fact, it is), market price would be closer to 1$ than it is currently: that's our fault obviously. Unstaking fee in USD0++ (=Floor) or USUAL (Early Redemption): way simpler and common. Just like Yearn had a few % fee at their beginning (not a really accurate comparison but it's to give an image).

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01/22/2025 at 09:54:11 EST

@Noé: I got my USD0 on Monday for being a USUALx holder. Now, the amount for next week has decreased. Why is that?

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01/22/2025 at 09:53:56 EST

Good yearning

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01/22/2025 at 09:53:01 EST

Good morning y’all!

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01/22/2025 at 09:47:49 EST

A bit like Certificate of Deposits

dvrole-iconUSD0++ peg is also mentioned quite a fair bit. Also idea of USD0++ trading at parity is all over the place in the docs (can probably find 10+ examples) That's where the confusion comes from. The team describes USD0++ as an LST so it definitely has a peg - Pierre compares it to stETH in his latest interview and stETH definitely has a peg! -. Of course LSTs are not required to be at peg as much as stablecoins but they usually trade at parity. And it's still not clear whether Usual wants USD0++ to trade at parity (like an LST) or like a 4 year bond under normal conditions. Sure the formulas etc - everything was public from day 1. But setting target outflows at 0.3% of TVL -essentially 0- makes it trade like a 4 year bond, not like an LST.

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01/22/2025 at 09:47:27 EST

Well yes, the theoretical peg of USD0++ is with USD0, since its yield is above the risk free yield represented by its discount, but as outlined in the docs, it can vary since there's no cost-free open arbitrage mechanism as it's locked for 4 years.

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01/22/2025 at 09:45:42 EST

Curious if you have any ideas on the intentions of the team ? For example do you know if they want usd0++ to trade more like a bond or like an LST or are they considering changing target outflows ? or like any personal thoughts on this ? otherwise respect for managing this chat, must be a tough job.

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Noérole-icon"peg" in the whitepaper explicity refers to the peg with USD0, the peg with the Floor or the peg with its value at maturity, and it is explicitly said that USD0++'s Floor is under the 1:1 redemption ratio.

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01/22/2025 at 09:44:46 EST

USD0++ peg is also mentioned quite a fair bit. Also idea of USD0++ trading at parity is all over the place in the docs (can probably find 10+ examples) That's where the confusion comes from. The team describes USD0++ as an LST so it definitely has a peg - Pierre compares it to stETH in his latest interview and stETH definitely has a peg! -. Of course LSTs are not required to be at peg as much as stablecoins but they usually trade at parity. And it's still not clear whether Usual wants USD0++ to trade at parity (like an LST) or like a 4 year bond under normal conditions. Sure the formulas etc - everything was public from day 1. But setting target outflows at 0.3% of TVL -essentially 0- makes it trade like a 4 year bond, not like an LST.

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Ekosonerole-iconThat has done nothing to address constant TVL outflow and updated roadmap

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01/22/2025 at 09:39:48 EST

They have addressed the TVL outflow. Also, the TVL can fluctuate that's true, there is no lock and you are free to leave anytime you want

Ekosonerole-iconYou really like comparing with USDC and Circle right

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01/22/2025 at 09:39:42 EST

yes include tao/sol etc. usual fud not even top 10

BingChillingrole-iconusdc mcap also dump ~50% when issues with svb. things change and grow lol.

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01/22/2025 at 09:39:17 EST

You really like comparing with USDC and Circle right

Gabeerole-iconYes. The team has communicated in the # 📣ㆍannouncements channel, as well as on twitter. The team also replied to some concerns people were having here on discord as well as on X.

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01/22/2025 at 09:38:41 EST

That has done nothing to address constant TVL outflow and updated roadmap

Ekosonerole-iconAnd it's now down to 1.24 Bn, I just think Team should update roadmap, roll out new products/integrations and communicate how they expect to lift up this project after the shambles earlier this month

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01/22/2025 at 09:38:25 EST

usdc mcap also dump ~50% when issues with svb. things change and grow lol.

Ekosonerole-iconAnd it's now down to 1.24 Bn, I just think Team should update roadmap, roll out new products/integrations and communicate how they expect to lift up this project after the shambles earlier this month

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01/22/2025 at 09:38:09 EST

Yes. The team has communicated in the # 📣ㆍannouncements channel, as well as on twitter. The team also replied to some concerns people were having here on discord as well as on X.

Gabeerole-iconUsual already reached 1.8B TVL ser

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01/22/2025 at 09:37:21 EST

And it's now down to 1.24 Bn, I just think Team should update roadmap, roll out new products/integrations and communicate how they expect to lift up this project after the shambles earlier this month

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Ekosonerole-iconWhat do you mean no one expect? People calling for 100k BTC ever since 2021/22

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01/22/2025 at 09:37:04 EST

In 2022, btc reached 16k and people believed it was over

Ekosonerole-iconWhat do you mean no one expect? People calling for 100k BTC ever since 2021/22

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01/22/2025 at 09:36:44 EST

not it was when 16k people call it zero i'm pretty sure lots of people wait 12k and never fill

BingChillingrole-iconi mean that's the plan atleast u have plan. lol launch good product tvl will follow. nobody expect btc going 100k either

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01/22/2025 at 09:36:30 EST

What do you mean no one expect? People calling for 100k BTC ever since 2021/22

Dave.racerole-iconYou already pay a 10% fee when you unstake USUALx

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01/22/2025 at 09:36:13 EST

But there is another option with 3rd party dex for swapping without being get pinalty

Ekosonerole-iconUSUAL Team aiming for 5 Bn+ TVL in 2025?? Lol that's some wishful thinking

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01/22/2025 at 09:36:11 EST

Usual already reached 1.8B TVL ser

Ekosonerole-iconUSUAL Team aiming for 5 Bn+ TVL in 2025?? Lol that's some wishful thinking

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01/22/2025 at 09:35:46 EST

i mean that's the plan atleast u have plan. lol launch good product tvl will follow. nobody expect btc going 100k either

BingChillingrole-iconfor now this is usual have

Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 09:35:00 EST

USUAL Team aiming for 5 Bn+ TVL in 2025?? Lol that's some wishful thinking

Nisanrole-iconJust wanna give some suggestion, how if people who stake normal tokens have to lock usualx for a certain period to stabilize the hyperinflation ? What d u think ?

Dave.racerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 09:34:21 EST

You already pay a 10% fee when you unstake USUALx

Noérole-iconI don't see a lot of people disappointed here

Nisanrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 09:22:54 EST

Just wanna give some suggestion, how if people who stake normal tokens have to lock usualx for a certain period to stabilize the hyperinflation ? What d u think ?

123123123role-icon

01/22/2025 at 09:03:09 EST

Of course I still love it

09:02:42

Day by day

fredchan17999role-iconHaha, Binance Square is not a gud place for our mind, I left it already

123123123role-icon

01/22/2025 at 09:02:21 EST

The main thing is that it fell too fast

Benrole-iconIs this the official chat for USUAL? Because ein Binance Chat they all talking negative about the project

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01/22/2025 at 08:59:02 EST

Haha, Binance Square is not a gud place for our mind, I left it already

Noérole-icon1. Whoever owns Hashnote (Circle or the original founders) doesn't really change anything. If there were changes, they would have to fit our risk policy, as initially outlined, in order for us to still use Hashnote. 2. Usual always relied on Circle for part of its flow (underlying collateral USYC to USDC, for secondary market pools, just like any stablecoin or asset). In terms of TVL, it's more Circle relying on us for Hashnote right now, since we're >90% of their TVL. 3. If one thing, it could actually improve that flow with even deeper and faster access to USDC for rebalancing purposes. 4. Usual doesn't "rely" on Hashnote. USD0 aggregates multiple tokenized t-bills providers, for example, M^0. We are in the process of integrating more of those.

Egonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:57:04 EST

thanks for the clarification

Benrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:55:43 EST

They should be banned

08:55:19

Is this the official chat for USUAL? Because ein Binance Chat they all talking negative about the project

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Benrole-iconWhy the community is so disappointed about the USUAL team

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01/22/2025 at 08:54:10 EST

Its not greatest manipulation. Don't try again plz :usuallogo:

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:53:57 EST

> show more interest for the community I'm here all day long and we promoted active community members to the Ambassador role

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:big_think:

08:53:24

I don't see a lot of people disappointed here

Benrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:53:21 EST

Should the team show more interest for the community or why all are talking bad about this project

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Benrole-iconWhy the community is so disappointed about the USUAL team

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:53:16 EST

# 🧐ㆍspeculation

Benrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:52:42 EST

Why the community is so disappointed about the USUAL team

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Egonerole-iconI mean it is not necessarily a problem, but if you think about it: while minting USD0, Usual have to rely on the Circle ecosystem. However I understand, that this aquisition has strenghten Hashnote, but it might create an interesting dependency dynamic

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01/22/2025 at 08:51:36 EST

1. Whoever owns Hashnote (Circle or the original founders) doesn't really change anything. If there were changes, they would have to fit our risk policy, as initially outlined, in order for us to still use Hashnote. 2. Usual always relied on Circle for part of its flow (underlying collateral USYC to USDC, for secondary market pools, just like any stablecoin or asset). In terms of TVL, it's more Circle relying on us for Hashnote right now, since we're >90% of their TVL. 3. If one thing, it could actually improve that flow with even deeper and faster access to USDC for rebalancing purposes. 4. Usual doesn't "rely" on Hashnote. USD0 aggregates multiple tokenized t-bills providers, for example, M^0. We are in the process of integrating more of those.

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Noérole-iconWhy would it be concerning..?

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01/22/2025 at 08:47:21 EST

I mean it is not necessarily a problem, but if you think about it: while minting USD0, Usual have to rely on the Circle ecosystem. However I understand, that this aquisition has strenghten Hashnote, but it might create an interesting dependency dynamic

Egonerole-iconisn't it concerning for Usual, that Circle bought Hashnote? So while minting USD0, you basically have to use a part of Circle's ecosystem

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:44:16 EST

Why would it be concerning..?

Egonerole-iconisn't it concerning for Usual, that Circle bought Hashnote? So while minting USD0, you basically have to use a part of Circle's ecosystem

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:43:05 EST

circle put their money in hashnote that mean after 4 years usd0 will have guaranteed liquidity because hashnote not gonna runaway or collapse. this clear the fud "protocol not gonna survive 4 years"

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01/22/2025 at 08:41:19 EST

isn't it concerning for Usual, that Circle bought Hashnote? So while minting USD0, you basically have to use a part of Circle's ecosystem

123123123role-iconI hope Usual gets better and better, because I love the mechanics of Usual, even though I'm losing 50%+ in it🥺

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01/22/2025 at 08:35:33 EST

Its IL till u didn't sell it

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01/22/2025 at 08:34:44 EST

I hope Usual gets better and better, because I love the mechanics of Usual, even though I'm losing 50%+ in it🥺

t1notbotrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:34:22 EST

Usual star - its treasure after burning?

123123123role-iconWhat is usual V2?

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:33:22 EST

usd0 is the stablecoin in the ecosystem, there will be many product in future usd0++ is just one of them

keyrole-iconThis math is wrong because you just calculated each pool ROI based on TODAY. You can only deposit in ONE pool at a time. So now you essentially compounded 4x as you assumed deposit in all 4 pools at the same time. So technically, just check what it looks like if you deposit in the June pool at 22%. May be it is a bit higher because of componding each month, so may be 30% annualized. So you get 15% and you give 8% to depeg and then take hole 7%. In my instance, I also have a aave loan, so I basically pay that there 🙂

FlyingArrowzrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:31:29 EST

haha yes, but whatever it is, still gotta wait at least 4-5 months to be in profits. but yeah understand ur loan terms

123123123role-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:29:07 EST

What is usual V2?

zakukurole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:23:47 EST

Cool

zakukurole-iconIs there a roadmap for USUAL?

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:23:14 EST

for now this is usual have

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zakukurole-iconIs there a roadmap for USUAL?

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01/22/2025 at 08:20:24 EST

Yes, Usual has a roadmap that outlines its transition towards a decentralized governance model and the introduction of new products and features. The roadmap includes plans for expanding synthetic assets, cross-chain integrations, and enhancing the utility of its stablecoins USD0 and USD0++. The governance will eventually be managed by the Usual DAO, empowering users with voting rights. References: 1

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01/22/2025 at 08:20:11 EST

Is there a roadmap for USUAL?

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:09:33 EST

Please report these in # 🚨ㆍscam-report thank you 😄

kiratsunamirole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:02:55 EST

what does liquidity means here ? treasruy ?

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01/22/2025 at 08:02:50 EST

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Noérole-iconan internal dashboard, idk if it's public

Profitsrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:02:33 EST

Why are these scammers trying so hard to be you ?

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:02:30 EST

it's the circulating supply

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Fadirole-iconThanks Noe, more specific please 🙂

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:02:11 EST

an internal dashboard, idk if it's public

Noérole-iconYes, a dashboard we have

Fadirole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:01:58 EST

Thanks Noe, more specific please 🙂

Noérole-iconYes, a dashboard we have

kiratsunamirole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:01:45 EST

is it possible the share the link to it

Fadirole-iconDoes anyone know where is this picture from

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:01:13 EST

Yes, a dashboard we have

Ronaldinho777role-icon

01/22/2025 at 08:00:54 EST

I thought it was about a different pegging

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01/22/2025 at 08:00:39 EST

Does anyone know where is this picture from

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Noérole-icon"peg" in the whitepaper explicity refers to the peg with USD0, the peg with the Floor or the peg with its value at maturity, and it is explicitly said that USD0++'s Floor is under the 1:1 redemption ratio.

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01/22/2025 at 07:58:43 EST

Let’s pump Usual back to $1 shall we ?

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Sandrurole-iconLet's get $USUAL to re-peg $1 while we're at it

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01/22/2025 at 07:56:59 EST

that's the peg i care

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01/22/2025 at 07:56:40 EST

Let's get $USUAL to re-peg $1 while we're at it

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Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:55:59 EST

I'll communicate the need maybe to review again the docs to avoid misleading comms, but everything is quite crystal clear there tbh

polo2353role-iconHi Noé, although you never compare USD0++ to a stablecoins, you mention its "peg" in the white paper. Don't you think this term should be reserved for assets which have a real 1:1 claimable value (mostly stablecoins)? I think this word is a bit misleading

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:55:14 EST

"peg" in the whitepaper explicity refers to the peg with USD0, the peg with the Floor or the peg with its value at maturity, and it is explicitly said that USD0++'s Floor is under the 1:1 redemption ratio.

Noérole-iconnew announcements for USD0++ are on their way :PES3_Smile:

Tusjbrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:37:08 EST

I hope it's not too late. The market knows it's a de-packing, so we need to be impatient before the public sentiment turns away. Good luck.

Vilaxrole-iconWhen we able to do claim a reward

Mava (AI Support)role-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:27:53 EST

The Checker is now live, and you should be able to see your rewards. If you are referring to Galxe rewards, they should be distributed this month.

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01/22/2025 at 07:27:46 EST

When we able to do claim a reward

polo2353role-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:25:24 EST

"USD0++ deviated significantly from its peg" last paragraph page 7 of the whitepaper @Gabee

polo2353role-iconHi Noé, although you never compare USD0++ to a stablecoins, you mention its "peg" in the white paper. Don't you think this term should be reserved for assets which have a real 1:1 claimable value (mostly stablecoins)? I think this word is a bit misleading

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:24:12 EST

Where please? Only USD0 is a stablecoin

Noérole-iconUsual is working on features to improve USD0++'s liquidity and pricing. More information should be released this week.

hell0menrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:23:27 EST

something like Maverick and Uni incentivised range?

Joe Stephenrole-iconAs far as I know, only USD0 is a stablecoin, while USD0++ is a long-term stake product.

polo2353role-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:22:14 EST

Yes, indeed that is clearly its definition, but the wording can sometimes be misleading for people who did not dive 100% in the tokenomics (this takes a lot of time)

polo2353role-iconAlso, can anybody point me to the docs explaining in a very precise manner how the interest earned from the assets backing the USD0 (USYC & M0 currently) are used? From my understanding, they are stored in a special vault without precise predefined use. this is a key part in the value of USUALx and USUAL, but is left at the discretion of the core team. Is there some more transparent info somewhere?

Mava (AI Support)role-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:20:13 EST

The interest earned from the assets backing USD0, such as USYC and M0, is accumulated in the DAO's treasury. The yield from these underlying collaterals is used to mint and redistribute $USUAL based on the revenue. For more detailed information, you can refer to the official documentation or the whitepaper provided by Usual.

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Also, can anybody point me to the docs explaining in a very precise manner how the interest earned from the assets backing the USD0 (USYC & M0 currently) are used? From my understanding, they are stored in a special vault without precise predefined use. this is a key part in the value of USUALx and USUAL, but is left at the discretion of the core team. Is there some more transparent info somewhere?

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polo2353role-iconHi Noé, although you never compare USD0++ to a stablecoins, you mention its "peg" in the white paper. Don't you think this term should be reserved for assets which have a real 1:1 claimable value (mostly stablecoins)? I think this word is a bit misleading

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01/22/2025 at 07:19:19 EST

As far as I know, only USD0 is a stablecoin, while USD0++ is a long-term stake product.

Noérole-iconbut indeed USD0++ isn't a stablecoin, it's Liquid Bond Token

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01/22/2025 at 07:15:05 EST

Hi Noé, although you never compare USD0++ to a stablecoins, you mention its "peg" in the white paper. Don't you think this term should be reserved for assets which have a real 1:1 claimable value (mostly stablecoins)? I think this word is a bit misleading

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01/22/2025 at 07:04:32 EST

The new one they are getting ready to launch

Tokrole-iconI meant USD0++ pool

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:01:20 EST

Which one ser?

Gabeerole-iconUSD0++ isn't a curve pool, it's a liquid bond

Tokrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 07:00:21 EST

I meant USD0++ pool

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:59:36 EST

@Tok kindly check out the documentation here: https://docs.usual.money/usual-products/usd0-liquid-staking-token

Tokrole-icon@Noé can you answer me?

Gabeerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:59:02 EST

USD0++ isn't a curve pool, it's a liquid bond

Tokrole-iconNew USD0++ pool is not a curve pool? And where does the reward come from? From other pools?

Tokrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:58:26 EST

@Noé can you answer me?

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01/22/2025 at 06:58:04 EST

Wow

Gabeerole-iconWhat day is it @Mava (AI Support) ?

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01/22/2025 at 06:57:51 EST

What day is it @Mava (AI Support) ?

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01/22/2025 at 06:57:23 EST

Today or end of the week

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Noérole-iconnew announcements for USD0++ are on their way :PES3_Smile:

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01/22/2025 at 06:56:48 EST

today ?

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Noérole-iconnew announcements for USD0++ are on their way :PES3_Smile:

Tokrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:55:21 EST

New USD0++ pool is not a curve pool? And where does the reward come from? From other pools?

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:53:12 EST

new announcements for USD0++ are on their way :PES3_Smile:

Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:53:08 EST

And better liquidity hopefully

keyrole-iconWhat will change? Its 4 year bond. May be a little lesser from 10% to 8-9%, but dont see why it should be 5-6%

Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:52:39 EST

In june it'll be 3 yr to maturity I can see it be 6-7% discount

keyrole-iconWhat will change? Its 4 year bond. May be a little lesser from 10% to 8-9%, but dont see why it should be 5-6%

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:52:34 EST

better pool for this week update + 6 months floor price increase

Tokrole-iconWhat is the new pool? It's not a curve pool?

Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:52:11 EST

I don't think new pools have been announced yet, hopefully this week tho

BingChillingrole-iconif you go to june i think it will closer to 5-6% not 8%-10%

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:51:59 EST

What will change? Its 4 year bond. May be a little lesser from 10% to 8-9%, but dont see why it should be 5-6%

Tokrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:51:37 EST

What is the new pool? It's not a curve pool?

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:51:29 EST

A lot of people moved from ethena to usual, but ethena technically gives 1:1 and they would be locked into usual ecosystem for a few months now.

keyrole-iconThis math is wrong because you just calculated each pool ROI based on TODAY. You can only deposit in ONE pool at a time. So now you essentially compounded 4x as you assumed deposit in all 4 pools at the same time. So technically, just check what it looks like if you deposit in the June pool at 22%. May be it is a bit higher because of componding each month, so may be 30% annualized. So you get 15% and you give 8% to depeg and then take hole 7%. In my instance, I also have a aave loan, so I basically pay that there 🙂

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01/22/2025 at 06:51:05 EST

if you go to june i think it will closer to 5-6% not 8%-10%

BingChillingrole-iconlol in the pursue of highest yield you don't care the underlying is it usd0++ or stablecoin or btc or eth. if you held june pool maturity in pendle usd0++ yield still good my opinion

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:51:02 EST

Underlying value does matter. Reason why BTC has low pendle liquidity vs stablecoin

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Yes, the problem started because it was offered at 1:1 to convert from USD0 to USD0++. It should not be a 1:1 swap in first place, both ways.

Ekosonerole-iconI know but if Team and community members like yourself have continuously repeated USD0++ should not be treated like a stablecoin, I feel like it should continue being that way for newcomers. Otherwise you're misleading. There lies the issue with the recent fp price drop, everyone was made to believe (not saying whether ot was by the team or community or general misunderstanding of what the WP said) USD0++ was a stablecoin

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01/22/2025 at 06:49:56 EST

lol in the pursue of highest yield you don't care the underlying is it usd0++ or stablecoin or btc or eth. if you held june pool maturity in pendle usd0++ yield still good my opinion

BingChillingrole-iconthe context is pendle yield lol

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01/22/2025 at 06:46:47 EST

I know but if Team and community members like yourself have continuously repeated USD0++ should not be treated like a stablecoin, I feel like it should continue being that way for newcomers. Otherwise you're misleading. There lies the issue with the recent fp price drop, everyone was made to believe (not saying whether ot was by the team or community or general misunderstanding of what the WP said) USD0++ was a stablecoin

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FlyingArrowzrole-icon@key look, if you kept rolling till june, say you started with 100k. and you exited in June at 0.91 peg, youll get 130k back (after 8% loss), with 100k initial capital (which is 91k now)

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01/22/2025 at 06:45:08 EST

This math is wrong because you just calculated each pool ROI based on TODAY. You can only deposit in ONE pool at a time. So now you essentially compounded 4x as you assumed deposit in all 4 pools at the same time. So technically, just check what it looks like if you deposit in the June pool at 22%. May be it is a bit higher because of componding each month, so may be 30% annualized. So you get 15% and you give 8% to depeg and then take hole 7%. In my instance, I also have a aave loan, so I basically pay that there 🙂

Ekosonerole-iconAre you comparing USD0++ with a stablecoin?? 🤔

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:33:42 EST

the context is pendle yield lol

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:33:29 EST

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locked for 4years

06:33:20

but indeed USD0++ isn't a stablecoin, it's Liquid Bond Token

Ekosonerole-iconAre you comparing USD0++ with a stablecoin?? 🤔

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:33:03 EST

I mean he's not a team member he can compare it with whatever he wants :PES2_Nerd:

Ekosonerole-iconAre you comparing USD0++ with a stablecoin?? 🤔

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01/22/2025 at 06:32:41 EST

in term of yield yes. btc and eth restaking yield is very low cant even close.

BingChillingrole-iconi mean u could just put in beravault or you can put in pendle june pool both will make you more money after maturity compare to other stablecoin farm

Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:31:59 EST

Are you comparing USD0++ with a stablecoin?? 🤔

Parikrole-iconHope team can manage something. Otherwise TVL will reduce dramatically.

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01/22/2025 at 06:28:52 EST

read the whitepaper so you can understand this will scale beyond usd0++

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Noérole-iconUsual is working on features to improve USD0++'s liquidity and pricing. More information should be released this week.

Parikrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:27:30 EST

Hope team can manage something. Otherwise TVL will reduce dramatically.

keyrole-iconI am sitting with $3m now lol. This is frustrating. Usual should have a "VIP" team of sort to help whale wallets

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:26:31 EST

Well, you can open a ticket and/or reach out to me on TG sir 🫡

FlyingArrowzrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:26:14 EST

this aint luna/ust

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knowing you wont get screwed by the underlying. not to worry man.

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:25:53 EST

@key wait for our next article imho

FlyingArrowzrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:25:46 EST

totally feel you ser. but really think you can just sit on your hands and exit by June.

keyrole-iconI am sitting with $3m now lol. This is frustrating. Usual should have a "VIP" team of sort to help whale wallets

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01/22/2025 at 06:25:28 EST

just roll it into next week vault. there will be annouce iusd0++

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:24:59 EST

I am sitting with $3m now lol. This is frustrating. Usual should have a "VIP" team of sort to help whale wallets

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01/22/2025 at 06:24:55 EST

ok wow that's size lol, but yeah better you just roll PTs, farming stables is a long-term horizon. man i was depressed when it went down 8% but just got me thinking deep. sure, bad comms, but i think it's better you roll with what are facts and what you can do

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01/22/2025 at 06:24:49 EST

Usual is working on features to improve USD0++'s liquidity and pricing. More information should be released this week.

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keyrole-icon20-30% annualized. So best you get the 10% by June

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01/22/2025 at 06:23:41 EST

after 6 month i would say floor price can get you -5%-6% exit fee but not 10%

Noérole-iconAgreed, the communication on it should've been better, and we indeed highlighted it

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:23:23 EST

Would have been better to at least airdrop those people who minted through your protocol at 1:1

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01/22/2025 at 06:23:17 EST

@key look, if you kept rolling till june, say you started with 100k. and you exited in June at 0.91 peg, youll get 130k back (after 8% loss), with 100k initial capital (which is 91k now)

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01/22/2025 at 06:22:29 EST

And its falling currently after this mess. So basically if we keep rolling, at 22-27% appox until June, yes, we will just barely make back capital with a bit of extra (if that USDC/USDT we put it was not borrowed)

FlyingArrowzrole-iconill do the math for you. say you have 100k. you roll it into monthly PTs every maturity, that will get you at least 20-30% of your capital by June. whatever it is, USD0 the underlying is backed 1:1 by hashnote, no way youll get screwed unless hasnote wants to go to jail

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01/22/2025 at 06:21:32 EST

20-30% annualized. So best you get the 10% by June

keyrole-iconWould have just appreciated a heads up on when that would end. Not a sudden change on when implementation starts.

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01/22/2025 at 06:21:31 EST

Agreed, the communication on it should've been better, and we indeed highlighted it

FlyingArrowzrole-iconill do the math for you. say you have 100k. you roll it into monthly PTs every maturity, that will get you at least 20-30% of your capital by June. whatever it is, USD0 the underlying is backed 1:1 by hashnote, no way youll get screwed unless hasnote wants to go to jail

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01/22/2025 at 06:21:02 EST

it doesnt anymore circle partner with hashnote you will guaranteed liquidity after 4 years. they put their usdc fund in there

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keyrole-iconHow? I just checked. June pool still does not make the 10% loss back.

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01/22/2025 at 06:20:24 EST

ill do the math for you. say you have 100k. you roll it into monthly PTs every maturity, that will get you at least 20-30% of your capital by June. whatever it is, USD0 the underlying is backed 1:1 by hashnote, no way youll get screwed unless hasnote wants to go to jail

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keyrole-iconWould have just appreciated a heads up on when that would end. Not a sudden change on when implementation starts.

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:20:17 EST

again this is already address in annoucement.

BingChillingrole-icondo the math ? you can exit 2nd market it will have better rate in june

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:20:12 EST

I mean I went through protocol.

keyrole-iconNo, it does not route. I just minted 100k now

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:19:48 EST

it literally route you to 2nd market

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Noérole-iconBecause it has been public since day one that there is no cost-free early redemption (before maturity). A comparison would be with Certificate of Deposits

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:19:18 EST

Would have just appreciated a heads up on when that would end. Not a sudden change on when implementation starts.

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01/22/2025 at 06:18:52 EST

cant blame the team forever, whatever it is gotta take it as your own responsibility

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keyrole-iconSure. But why was it accepted in 1:1? If this method is how redemtion will work, you should also accept money at 0.87 base? Not at 1 base?

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01/22/2025 at 06:18:26 EST

Because it has been public since day one that there is no cost-free early redemption (before maturity). A comparison would be with Certificate of Deposits

keyrole-iconAnd I converted my USD0 to USD0++ in Jan 1st week at 1:1 And the next week it drops to 0.87

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01/22/2025 at 06:18:18 EST

yeah team comms was bad, it was in the docs all along, i mean just gotta roll with what you have. tbh my plan now is to keep rolling pendle PTs monthly

BingChillingrole-iconlol tired bro if you have balance it will route you to 2nd market i think you are trolling

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:18:17 EST

No, it does not route. I just minted 100k now

keyrole-iconHow? I just checked. June pool still does not make the 10% loss back.

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:18:00 EST

do the math ? you can exit 2nd market it will have better rate in june

BingChillingrole-iconi mean u could just put in beravault or you can put in pendle june pool both will make you more money after maturity compare to other stablecoin farm

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:17:48 EST

How? I just checked. June pool still does not make the 10% loss back.

keyrole-iconBut then why do you want to allow minting at 1:1 when that is far from market price

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01/22/2025 at 06:17:34 EST

lol tired bro if you have balance it will route you to 2nd market i think you are trolling

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01/22/2025 at 06:17:09 EST

Is it possible to temporarily limit the inflow of new coins to the market? Few days ago some of the coins have been burned, however, as of yesterday, new portion of 7mln coins appeared

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01/22/2025 at 06:17:01 EST

But then why do you want to allow minting at 1:1 when that is far from market price

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keyrole-iconAnd I converted my USD0 to USD0++ in Jan 1st week at 1:1 And the next week it drops to 0.87

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:16:59 EST

i mean u could just put in beravault or you can put in pendle june pool both will make you more money after maturity compare to other stablecoin farm

keyrole-iconAnd I converted my USD0 to USD0++ in Jan 1st week at 1:1 And the next week it drops to 0.87

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01/22/2025 at 06:15:39 EST

Hello ser, USD0++ is a liquid bond, if you hold it for 4 years you will redeem it at 1$ no problem, it was written in the documentation from the beginning

keyrole-iconYes

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:14:59 EST

u buy usd0++ know that it is 4 year lock ? and u want exit next week ?

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:14:32 EST

And I converted my USD0 to USD0++ in Jan 1st week at 1:1 And the next week it drops to 0.87

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keyrole-iconSure. But why was it accepted in 1:1? If this method is how redemtion will work, you should also accept money at 0.87 base? Not at 1 base?

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:13:42 EST

are you currently hold usd0++ ?

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:13:13 EST

Sure. But why was it accepted in 1:1? If this method is how redemtion will work, you should also accept money at 0.87 base? Not at 1 base?

keyrole-iconIts unfair for them to take money in 1:1 and give exit this way lol. If they always had this base, then its good. Its crazy.

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:12:39 EST

Please refer to our previous communications. These mechanisms have always been public, and explained in the dapp, docs, whitepaper and articles.

FlyingArrowzrole-iconweekly the redemption limit will reset, im not too sure of the timing myself tbh.

Noérole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:12:10 EST

outflows are calculated on the past 7 days

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:12:07 EST

Its unfair for them to take money in 1:1 and give exit this way lol. If they always had this base, then its good. Its crazy.

06:10:23

Do you see the limit info somewhere?

keyrole-iconSo how to monitor this fees or find when its best time to exit?

FlyingArrowzrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:10:09 EST

weekly the redemption limit will reset, im not too sure of the timing myself tbh.

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:09:51 EST

I cant see any place to monitor this

FlyingArrowzrole-iconoh no, whatever it is the fee depends on TVL of USUAL, outflows and APY of USUAL + also weekly redemption target. because redemption has hit target, that's why fee is max now. People always mention 6 months is because that's the time it takes for you to earn rewards so that you can be back at parity or make profits (if you entered 1:1 before the depeg)

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:09:32 EST

So how to monitor this fees or find when its best time to exit?

Maheswar Sahurole-iconWen gal xe distribution

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01/22/2025 at 06:09:06 EST

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06:08:53

Wen gal xe distribution

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:07:51 EST

So I have PT-USD0++. I entrered all of it in December at 1:1. Now its at -10% With Pendle, it could take a lot longer than 6 months to get that loss back. Wow.

keyrole-iconDoes it mean if we wait for 6 months, we get it without depeg fee at 1:1?

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01/22/2025 at 06:04:34 EST

oh no, whatever it is the fee depends on TVL of USUAL, outflows and APY of USUAL + also weekly redemption target. because redemption has hit target, that's why fee is max now. People always mention 6 months is because that's the time it takes for you to earn rewards so that you can be back at parity or make profits (if you entered 1:1 before the depeg)

Ekosonerole-iconThis expected for this week?

FlyingArrowzrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 06:03:44 EST

apparently yes lol. cant be bothered when they release it as long as they do lol. sometimes stuff like this takes time

keyrole-iconDoes it mean if we wait for 6 months, we get it without depeg fee at 1:1?

BingChillingrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 05:57:11 EST

burn you 6 months max yield. also u can out 2nd market swap in curve

keyrole-iconDoes it mean if we wait for 6 months, we get it without depeg fee at 1:1?

Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 05:56:08 EST

Not really coz it depends on expected USUAL rewards at the time of exit not past 6m of rewards

keyrole-iconDoes it mean if we wait for 6 months, we get it without depeg fee at 1:1?

Mava (AI Support)role-icon

01/22/2025 at 05:55:23 EST

No, waiting for 6 months does not guarantee a 1:1 redemption without a depeg fee. The maximum early redemption fee is up to six months of accrued $USUAL rewards. The fee is not automatically waived after 6 months.

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Ekosonerole-icon

01/22/2025 at 05:55:13 EST

This expected for this week?

keyrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 05:55:13 EST

Does it mean if we wait for 6 months, we get it without depeg fee at 1:1?

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01/22/2025 at 05:52:13 EST

iusd++ vault with ethena. more LPs, and even cross-chain.

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01/22/2025 at 05:37:34 EST

what are the future plans ?

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Good bot 🙂 thanks

Elrodrole-iconQuick question from a newbie. I am already past the 1st week cycle and I got a reward in Usual (around 20% more tokens 5000 -> 6000). Can someone confirm if the base amount from which the rewards are calculated on a weekly basis will autoamtically increase? Or I will get the same amount of Usual every week assuming the APY will not change?

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01/22/2025 at 05:32:36 EST

The base amount from which the rewards are calculated will automatically increase as your rewards are compounded. This means that if the APY remains the same, the amount of Usual tokens you receive will increase each week as your base amount grows.

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Quick question from a newbie. I am already past the 1st week cycle and I got a reward in Usual (around 20% more tokens 5000 -> 6000). Can someone confirm if the base amount from which the rewards are calculated on a weekly basis will autoamtically increase? Or I will get the same amount of Usual every week assuming the APY will not change?

Matzedelrole-icon@Nanobro May i ASK how many usualx do you have (Not exactly, Just want to know why i got nothing)

Nanobrorole-icon

01/22/2025 at 05:31:08 EST

weird question. what do u have and what reward are u expecting? if u just have USUALx last week, u're skipped. U need to keep it for this week epoch. Also if u got less that $10 usd0, it's accumulating and u will get it later.

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01/22/2025 at 05:08:02 EST

When btc0 end eth0

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01/22/2025 at 05:06:55 EST

any update on this?

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01/22/2025 at 05:06:45 EST

Gal xe distribution when?

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01/22/2025 at 05:05:23 EST

i just added new round of stack around 27.000 usual yesterday, and today my new stacked usual is around 28.000. how come? 🤣

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01/22/2025 at 04:28:25 EST

It was written in the docs since the beginning ser

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01/22/2025 at 04:28:13 EST

I dont want to answer 100 times. Tired You think you are the first person ask this? Wow congrats

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01/22/2025 at 04:08:08 EST

It's not arbitrary at all ser

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01/22/2025 at 04:03:46 EST

No it is not arbitratry number lol tired bro. you can believe what you want to believe but here the fact

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01/22/2025 at 03:56:49 EST

the floor price is based on math and fed rate lol. tired bro.

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01/22/2025 at 03:54:31 EST

move on already ancient history. now floor price 0.87 you buy today you guaranteed profit

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01/22/2025 at 03:53:13 EST

Me too We should organize an event oneday

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01/22/2025 at 03:52:48 EST

ya, I just make sure new ppl got that information

fredchan17999role-icon@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx is eligible for revenue switch? Reply me in English

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01/22/2025 at 03:49:59 EST

No

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To redeem USD0 into USYC, you need to be onboarded with Hashnote, Usual's current collateral partner. The redemption process is almost instant once you are onboarded.

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kyrole-icon@Mava (AI Support) does having usd0++ on arb generate rewards?

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01/22/2025 at 03:39:41 EST

Yes, holding USD0++ on Arbitrum will earn $USUAL yield retroactively.

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@Mava (AI Support) does having usd0++ on arb generate rewards?

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01/22/2025 at 03:39:03 EST

Paris rn hahaha

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01/22/2025 at 03:37:56 EST

gm sir

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gmgm

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01/22/2025 at 03:31:07 EST

ya I knew that

fredchan17999role-icon@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx (of Pendle) is eligible for revenue switch? Reply me in English

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No, PT USUALx on Pendle is not eligible for the Revenue Switch. The Revenue Switch is exclusively available to USUALx tokens held in addresses accessible to end-users, meaning revenue distribution applies only to non-aggregated positions.

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@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx (of Pendle) is eligible for revenue switch? Reply me in English

fredchan17999role-icon@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx is eligible for revenue switch? Reply me in English

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Yes, USUALx is eligible for the revenue switch. If you hold USUALx, you will receive USD0 as part of the revenue switch reward.

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@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx is eligible for revenue switch? Reply me in English

fredchan17999role-icon@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx is eligible for revenue switch?

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O Revenue Switch está disponível exclusivamente para tokens USUALx mantidos em endereços acessíveis aos usuários finais. Isso significa que a distribuição de receita se aplica apenas a posições não agregadas, por exemplo, não via Morpho ou Pendle.

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@Mava (AI Support) PT USUALx is eligible for revenue switch?

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01/22/2025 at 03:28:40 EST

🤔 Is this eligible for rev-switch?

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01/22/2025 at 03:23:29 EST

Thanks

littleringrole-iconIf I use my staked USUALx to buy PT USUALx on Pendle, will I earn both the APY from USUAL staking and Pendle?

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01/22/2025 at 03:22:52 EST

If I use my staked USUALx to buy PT USUALx on Pendle, will I earn both the APY from USUAL staking and Pendle?

R2Pleasenthistorically, one of the worst things you can do with a new project is lock your tokens for a long time, very few projects that launched pre-2022 have valuable tokens today

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01/22/2025 at 03:21:06 EST

Hype?

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01/22/2025 at 03:14:41 EST

Bro comes from Binance Square, I'm quite sure lmao

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01/22/2025 at 03:09:00 EST

Prove it

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01/22/2025 at 03:08:03 EST

The team is selling? Where? 😊

hell0menrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 03:07:46 EST

why Team?

Matzedelrole-icon@Nanobro May i ASK how many usualx do you have (Not exactly, Just want to know why i got nothing)

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01/22/2025 at 02:55:58 EST

⚠️ Always be careful

- Always check that someone trying to help you is part of the team (verify his roles). - No team member will DM you or ask for you to send him a DM. - No team member will ask you to click on a link for assistance. - To avoid any scam attempts, always ask for help through # 📩ㆍsupport-contact

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01/22/2025 at 02:55:58 EST

@Nanobro May i ASK how many usualx do you have (Not exactly, Just want to know why i got nothing)

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01/22/2025 at 02:38:07 EST

Whats up. Gm to all

R2PleasentSo the market vastly overpriced this product without understanding how it works. And now they are repricing it accordingly.

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01/22/2025 at 02:30:45 EST

Usual gave implicit guarantees 1:1 backing that’s why the protocol grew to over 1B. When they adopted the 87c floor, vaults like MEV capital, steak house and gauntlet and morpho were caught surprised.

DVrole-iconI don't think people that got airdrop, staked to usualX and stayed in usd0++ are in profit either

Candy Factory

01/22/2025 at 02:25:50 EST

I can tell you for sure in order to eat 9-10% loss on USD0++ you needed 2.5 months with 50% yield meaning you need to have started late September/early October since the yield tanked in January

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:52:41 EST

historically, one of the worst things you can do with a new project is lock your tokens for a long time, very few projects that launched pre-2022 have valuable tokens today

DVrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:48:27 EST

If you think 2yrs+ then yes maybe

01:47:39

I don't think people that got airdrop, staked to usualX and stayed in usd0++ are in profit either

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01/22/2025 at 01:47:10 EST

I hope that the usualx reward usual for staking will be reduced by 50%

R2Pleasenti highly doubt we'll see a repeg anytime soon, but at least your principal should not erode significantly...

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01/22/2025 at 01:43:59 EST

wish us luck haha

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01/22/2025 at 01:43:31 EST

i highly doubt we'll see a repeg anytime soon, but at least your principal should not erode significantly...

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01/22/2025 at 01:42:48 EST

yess

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01/22/2025 at 01:41:44 EST

oh you mean you bought for market price recently, so like 0.91x

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01/22/2025 at 01:41:40 EST

yield + repeg would be nice

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R2PleasentYT? or PT? YT is highly speculative

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01/22/2025 at 01:41:25 EST

just normal USD0++. i swapped in from usdc

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:41:02 EST

YT? or PT? YT is highly speculative

01:40:08

the market price will match the USUAL cost to exit anyways

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R2Pleasentat that point, if the market price of USD0++ is something around 0.91/92, i can exit for that price and still make a tiny profit

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01/22/2025 at 01:40:07 EST

aha great. i also got some USD0++ yesterday too.

Nanobrorole-iconu gonna need some USUAL for early exit

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:39:37 EST

at that point, if the market price of USD0++ is something around 0.91/92, i can exit for that price and still make a tiny profit

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R2PleasentWhat I did is put my money into a Pendle PT with my USD0++. It gives about 9% fixed return in USD0++ by June. So long as the project doesn't rug it should be exitable for a small profit then, even if $USUAL continues down

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01/22/2025 at 01:38:52 EST

u gonna need some USUAL for early exit

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:34:11 EST

What I did is put my money into a Pendle PT with my USD0++. It gives about 9% fixed return in USD0++ by June. So long as the project doesn't rug it should be exitable for a small profit then, even if $USUAL continues down

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01/22/2025 at 01:33:09 EST

In fact, if you only have negative thoughts in your mind, you will only see negative things. While USUAL has developed very well in a short time, and currently has some minor problems. The team is trying to solve it day by day, and the children are screaming and crying in panic. That is reality now.

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:30:39 EST

No one knew if the airdrop will made them money when TVL was a measly 200M, speculative risks are even higher than today with all the FUDs going on

01:28:39

All good opportunities are one time thing, not just in crypto, maybe staking today can just be that one time thing, it’s all # 🧐ㆍspeculation

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:27:08 EST

the airdrop was a one time thing

01:26:48

the airdrop made them money, and only if they sold it already

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01/22/2025 at 01:26:48 EST

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CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:26:31 EST

Simply holding USD0pp from prelaunch still profitable, those people hodled so profit, you come in and it’s less than even a month so no profit, patience made them profit in this case.

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:26:11 EST

Anyone who owned USD0++ pre-deg is currently negative, so what other strategy was delta neutral?

devisse.role-icondelta neutral

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:25:01 EST

I literally own cryptofundingtracker, which is a delta neutral tool that is 100% free. Please explain the Delta Neutral strategy with Usual

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:24:30 EST

delta neutral with 0.87 repricing lol

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01/22/2025 at 01:24:07 EST

:pills:

01:23:56

delta neutral

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:23:49 EST

On stables? Everything else

Joe Stephenrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:23:48 EST

Simple. We just keep waiting. No tree grows big in one day, it's a long term thing.

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:23:23 EST

please tell me another play that made money

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01/22/2025 at 01:23:05 EST

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R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:21:11 EST

Nobody else made any money

CongQrole-iconAlso a lot of people made a lot tho

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:20:52 EST

The people who made a lot are the ones who got their airdrop and dumped, or the team/insiders who will get a pile of Usual tokens which they will need to sell in order to solidify their gains

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:20:36 EST

Not anyone that held it long enough outside of team

R2PleasentAt the end of the day, lots of people lost a lot of money on this platform. Whether they had USD0++ or USUAL, they lost lots of money. It's not arguable. The price today is the price. Saying the price is wrong is speculation.

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:20:08 EST

Also a lot of people made a lot tho

Joe Stephenrole-iconActually, if you stay in the market long enough. You will know how to increase your spot position in situations where others panic. Or simply, think about the long term.

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:19:39 EST

Long term? A lot can’t even be bothered to take a 30mins read.

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R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:19:33 EST

At the end of the day, lots of people lost a lot of money on this platform. Whether they had USD0++ or USUAL, they lost lots of money. It's not arguable. The price today is the price. Saying the price is wrong is speculation.

Joe Stephenrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:18:58 EST

Actually, if you stay in the market long enough. You will know how to increase your spot position in situations where others panic. Or simply, think about the long term.

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:18:37 EST

We assumed good faith from the team. No one knew this was going to happen overnight and the price it was going to be set at. Since it’s backed 1:1 to usdc there was no reason to believe this would be done in this manner

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R2PleasentSo the market vastly overpriced this product without understanding how it works. And now they are repricing it accordingly.

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:18:21 EST

Thats speculative it could also be the market underpriced it because of the lack of understanding, either way works, but any speculation better move to the # 🧐ㆍspeculation channel

CongQrole-iconActual fact: a mechanism clearly stated from day 1 that it will be activated at some point got activated.

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:17:12 EST

So the market vastly overpriced this product without understanding how it works. And now they are repricing it accordingly.

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:16:50 EST

You can get poor overnight

Joe Stephenrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:16:32 EST

You can't get rich overnight. You should go to bed and be rich.

101role-iconThe facts: price changed overnight trapping people, usual goes down nonstop

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:16:24 EST

Actual fact: a mechanism clearly stated from day 1 that it will be activated at some point got activated.

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:15:20 EST

The facts: price changed overnight trapping people, usual goes down nonstop

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101role-iconAt what price are you going to change your mind?

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:14:47 EST

Price doesn’t affect FACTS does it, what even is your logic?

Joe Stephenrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:14:33 EST

Because there are fudders who don't do their research, everything gets worse.

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:14:16 EST

At what price are you going to change your mind?

R2PleasentThe team got spooked that the market was going to pull TVL from USD0++ once they stopped redeeming at 1:1, so instead of offering people a way out they trapped them

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:12:43 EST

1:1 during grace period WAS the way out, only ones got spooked are the ones who doesn’t know the mechanism from the start and listened to the panic fudders.

R2PleasentThe team got spooked that the market was going to pull TVL from USD0++ once they stopped redeeming at 1:1, so instead of offering people a way out they trapped them

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:10:55 EST

What are you even on about lmao, 1:1 was the grace period ratio, early redemption FP was the final mechanism from the start, it was called “grace” period for a reason, your timeline doesn’t even match your logic

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:09:23 EST

The team got spooked that the market was going to pull TVL from USD0++ once they stopped redeeming at 1:1, so instead of offering people a way out they trapped them

01:08:18

The market does not like the product and they are telling you that with price

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:08:16 EST

It’s not bad luck. The team opted to trap people that made usd0++ and usual worth anything

R2Pleasentowning USUAL so far has been a terrible investment

Joe Stephenrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:07:32 EST

Because we have many problems at the same time. ETH fell right at the announcement of USD0++, everything took us into free fall from there. Bad luck.

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:07:20 EST

You’re still throwing the same point over and over again

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:07:14 EST

There was literally a overnight miracle that repriced usd0++ and killed the project

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:06:51 EST

USD0++ is not a good product because its price is not stable. The market could wake up tomorrow and decide to reprice it at 0.88. Or at 0.95. That makes its utility in Defi somewhat pointless. There are plenty of stablecoin plays that provide a similar yield without the depeg risk / lockup.

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:06:46 EST

Rome wasn’t built in one day

R2Pleasentowning USUAL so far has been a terrible investment

CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:06:33 EST

Can’t argue with that from its recent performance, at the end of the day, market is market, but like i said, not everything is a overnight miracle, overnight miracles are where ppl lose their life savings

01:04:35

Only by being an executive at Tether/Circle, USUAL’s vision is basically a community built Tether/Circle, is not simply a yield generating token issuer

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:04:29 EST

it's down about 75% in a month

01:04:06

owning USUAL so far has been a terrible investment

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CongQrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:03:21 EST

The point is, You have a chance to participate, how can you participate the same exposure as USUALx or USD0++ to USUAL in the case of Tether/Circle

Einzigrole-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:01:54 EST

For USUALx's USD0 revenue, it should be APR instead of APY as it is not auto-compounding...

Fadirole-iconYou are missing the point. Usual is sharing revenue. USDT and USDC are not

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:01:25 EST

zero revenue is being shared with USD0

01:01:12

Look at Facebook / Instagram / USD ... the winner stays the winner due to network effects, and if you want to take out the leader, you need to pay them to do it

R2PleasentEither way , network effects are incredibly powerful. To break a network effect you need a significantly better product. Saying your assets are more diversified than the incumbent is not going to surmount network effects, get real

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01/22/2025 at 01:01:09 EST

You are missing the point. Usual is sharing revenue. USDT and USDC are not

R2Pleasent

01/22/2025 at 01:00:14 EST

Either way , network effects are incredibly powerful. To break a network effect you need a significantly better product. Saying your assets are more diversified than the incumbent is not going to surmount network effects, get real

101role-icon

01/22/2025 at 01:00:09 EST

Circle just bought USYC. It’s a pretty good deal to buy 1B+ of usdc that backed usual after the floor changed to 0.87